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Title: Trouble with consistent scan results
Post by: dterkeurst on February 21, 2013, 12:39:04 PM
I am having issues with consistency in my scan results. From first to second scan and board to board I get opens where I previously got shorts, and sometimes get different signature shapes. I have scanned in 4 tested functional boards 3 times each and upon finishing the 3rd reference scan of the 4th good board I still get a failure.

The attached picture shows some of the differences I get from first scan to second scan. The boards I am scanning are from hand held PDA/scanner guns and printers. The boards are not coated. The pin is hitting on the center of the pad and rechecks if open. I am using a 4 point crown. I do not believe the issue I am having is with contact.

Does anyone have any tips for improving the consistency in scanning boards? I am having trouble identifying component problems when good boards don't test as passing.

Title: Re: Trouble with consistent scan results
Post by: admin on February 21, 2013, 02:12:20 PM
Hi,
The key is to get a Reference set of signatures that are consistent. If opens tend to be a problem, put the probe down on them in RealTime and give the probe a gentle tap. You would be surprised what doesn't appear to be bad contact really is. Try a needle probe to see if you get better results. Are the signatures shown in the image from two different boards?
Title: Re: Trouble with consistent scan results
Post by: dterkeurst on February 22, 2013, 09:38:25 AM

The two scans are the same board, the image represents the first and second scan. I have tried going through and checking all the opens in real time. It is not only opens and shorts, it is as you can see from the picture I am getting different signature shapes. I have even had instances when I go to real time and over time it will slowly go from open to having a signature without me touching the prober needle. Also I have signatures where the first range to go in is open but the second and third range are appropriate.

I lowered the pin down position and it did not help.

The issue I think I am having is that once voltage is applied in certain areas of the board opening up pathways for voltage to flow in later tests.
Title: Re: Trouble with consistent scan results
Post by: dterkeurst on March 04, 2013, 07:44:16 AM
Well I changed my test a little to help compensate the issues I have been having. Basically I run the first reference test and before setting it for reference I re-check all the "opens" for continuity i.e. manually re-probe and nudging the probe tip. I have found that due to a charge effect if I use real time I will eventually get a signature on the more stubborn opens. Then I set it for a reference. so the next defective board i scan will undoubtedly fail until I re-probe all the opens and give them a charge so it will show the signature.

To be clear, some pins will show as open no mater how much I clean/change pin down/re-probe until i put it on real time and essentially charge the pin. Then I will be able to get a signature.

So it works, but is time consuming. Does anyone have a quicker way to deal with this issue?
Title: Re: Trouble with consistent scan results
Post by: Achcee on March 04, 2013, 08:37:43 AM
Is the board conformal coated? I have found I need to use the baddest probe in the box. It is marked part number 06-2111. Even then, getting through some coatings is spotty at best.
Title: Re: Trouble with consistent scan results
Post by: jvthorsley on March 28, 2013, 05:37:10 PM
Is it not possible to put a delay in the program to allow for charging effect?
Title: Re: Trouble with consistent scan results
Post by: admin on April 02, 2013, 03:41:53 PM
There is a Delay function in the Ranges tab of the Tree pane. It is best to use this feature sparingly to keep the test speed up.
Title: Re: Trouble with consistent scan results
Post by: jvthorsley on April 03, 2013, 04:54:50 PM
The Polar T6000 fault finder impedance signature analyzer made by Polar in the Channel Islands in the early 90's (similar to the Tracker 2000 +DSI 700) that ran with DOS (operating system before Windows) also had a delay function in the program to assist with noisy / capacitive circuits. But as you say with Worstation program did slow testing down if used too much.